Flooding in Dog Training – Darren part 2 (k9-1)

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Flooding is a strategy in pet training and behavior modification that has a high capacity for misuse and also misuse. This video reveals the flooding being utilized as part of an aggressiveness rehab intend on a canine called Darren who is 10 years old as well as has never ever enabled a guy to place his hands on him during the 8 years he was at a sanctuary. We made a decision to make use of the strategy after mindful consideration of what would be the best for Darren's as well as the instructors' security and as the better choice in our viewpoint to permitting him to experience longer durations of stress and anxiety with the weeks of bothering with being touched as compared to one much shorter spike of stress and anxiety with nearly instant enhancement to his total lifestyle with us. We appreciate positive objection and also viewpoints to help us much better boost our techniques in our rehabilitation programs with the pets that have no where else to transform.

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20 Comments on “Flooding in Dog Training – Darren part 2 (k9-1)”

  1. So did you only flood for only the starting of the training, and then you transferred to +R? After watching the video I scanned through it and noticed that the dog very much preferred the human that used the +R. The other guy that used the flooding always had to tug on the dog’s leash to get him to interact with him.

  2. @ThePsittacine There was only that one recorded session of flooding so at least one of us could snap a leash on him safely. The guy “Earl” that the dog seems to prefer in the video hasnt been able to get his hands all over Darren yet, but as you can see the patience of withholding it from him is paying off since it seems to make the dog want it more now from him since he now knows how good it can be and Earl has just begun to offer it. Also, Earl is more handsome. Maybe I’m just jealous…

  3. Can you define what the “it” is that Earl is withholding? I feel that flooding can be used, but rarely and only by pros and only in desparate, time sensitive situations. How do you guys feel about Cesear and what he did (or did not do) for Cotton? Will you also tell your viewers of the side-effects of the flooding “quick fix”?

  4. @ThePsittacine “It” is affection. We follow specific rules about when it is best to offer it during training. There definitely is side-effects of all “quick fixes” especially making a problem worse if someone misjudges the situation. I have not seen the “Cotton” episode, but I can imagine that not everything was done in the right order for the dog. I write a little about my opinion on Cesar in my asociated blog post found in the video discription.

  5. @k91dogtraining actually it seems tome that you are frustatitng the snapping habit
    the dog understands that his snaps have no efects
    pn the other side he accustomed to be close to human with no danger

  6. I understand completely what factors you had to take into consideration here. He/you needed ONE person. You obviously also know that any blowback from a flood CAN be dealt with. Most folks can have NO idea what he was like off camera. I do. I’ve been rehab’ing severe DA/HA/HFA’s for yrs. To my way of thinking, in Darren’s case specifically, it was crunch time & you had no other choice. Way to go guys, great work. Keep it up! Give some lovins to Darren from me. He’s a VERY lucky boy. 🙂

  7. @claudiahoyle The problem was there really was no “below the threshold”. We had to walk him, clean the kennel, etc.Just being near us was stressful. Also, counterconditioning and desensitizing was tried before with him for YEARS at the shelter, not only did it not work people still got bit. Normally I would agree with you, but in this case it ended up being the safer thing to do and worked. What you see in the video was the worse thing Darren had to deal with. He is doing GREAT today.

  8. Re: COTTON- Cotton was NOT cured. He went on to have his teeth lasered down in more desperate attempts to ‘fix’ him using dominance based training techniques. The description of ‘stalking’ behavior by CM is silly. Paw raises are commonly used by dogs to indicate uncertainty, fear, appeasement.

  9. Great video and blog post. I think flooding (like a lot of other techniques) is very misused because people focus on the good outcome they want without considering the potential side effects. It’s great to see you guys are thinking very clearly about what’s best for Darren, and it shows in the level of stress he exhibits before/during flooding and after; clearly a big improvement. Enjoy your videos!

  10. I’m sorry but you might as well put the poor dog to sleep because you’ve now spoiled things for the rest of his life at the shelter. I wouldn’t feel comfortable adopting this dog out to anyone. He has learned that someone holding him has the ability to touch him when its unwanted. So who knows if he is gonna generalize that and become comfortable with everyone after using that technique. Ask yourself, would you let your child walk up to him and pet him after doing something like this?

  11. I think in the right hands (like experienced pros like yourselves) Flooding can be an extremely effective tool with dogs like Darren. Obviously, in the wrong hands the use (or, rather, misuse) of the Flooding technique can have absolutely disastrous results. However, in this case it seemed to be extremely beneficial overall.

  12. Sheesh! They haven’t finished with him yet. It is an ongoing process. After just two short weeks, this dog has done a 180 turnaround. They are not planning on adopting him tomorrow! Dude….use some common sense. If they can get him to this stage in two weeks, haven’t you the foresight to see where he may be after 6 months? Wow….

  13. You guys do great work. I have some experience with dangerous dogs and for you to help Darren out is wonderful. Your article on your experience with PHS brought me to this. You guys are great and explain things well. Thanks for your help with a dog like Darren, most people would have this dog put down in an instant, you’re true hero’s. We need more people like you in shelters more often. Great job.

  14. We are competent trainers that do use CC and DS successfully and sorry that was attempted by an accomplished “positive only” trainer but it got the dog no where. If you would like to come pick Darren up from us be our guest. But, unfortunately you and other “positive trainers” are going to do nothing but act like unprofessionals and bash trainers that have took the time to learn more difficult training mechanics. You will not find me trolling your “cookie” only videos. We are helping dogs.

  15. While you are throwing cookies at the mini poodles in sweaters in all your videos, someone has to work with the dogs that need more than that. Again, we have plenty of dogs you can help out. Just let me know which one you want me to send so you can show us how it is done.

  16. Thanks for the video guys, it’s always sad to see a dog go through stressful situations but you did a good job of explaining your point and reasons. I am not even saying I would do the same but I respect those who acknowledge and admit the pros and cons of the training they choose to use.
    No lying, blaming behavior on dominance and naming learned helplessnes as calm.

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